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What’s the difference between an estate agent and a betting shop?

Harrison Ingram Estate Agent to be turned into a Betting Shop?
Apparently nothing. What used to be Harrison Ingram Estate Agents in Blackheath Standard is applying to be turned into a Betting Shop. And guess what? It’s three doors down from Ladbroke’s.

Estate Agents are defined as “use case A2”, which is for “Financial and professional services”. Here’s how “use classes” are supposed to work – it looks to me as though a change of use from Estate Agents to Betting Shop is viewed as quite normal, which makes me unsure as to whether to laugh or cry.

I don’t know what the best plan of action is against this, but I’d like to read your thoughts in the comments below. Please also look at the many posts on this subject on the Deptford Dame’s pages – some positive news too.

So what can you do?
See how to object to license changes on Greenwich Council’s site.
Contact your local councillors for Blackheath & Westcombe Ward, who are:

  • Geoffrey Brighty (Conservative) email geoffrey.brighty at greenwich.gov.uk or phone 07507 859 205)
  • Alex Grant (Labour) alex.grant at greenwich.gov.uk or phone 020 8855 7292)
  • Alex Wilson (LabourConservative) email alex.wilson at greenwich.gov.uk or phone 07783 611 607)

And tell them that you think it’s a crappy idea. Ask them whether they think it’s good for the area to increase the number of betting shops.

Then email licensing@greenwich.gov.uk writing along the following guidelines:

Apparently your representation must:

* Mention issues that relate to one or more of the four licensing objectives –
1. Protection of children from harm
2. Prevention of crime and disorder
3. Public safety
4. Prevention of public nuisance

* Describe precisely how you think the premises concerned are or would be contravening the licensing objective concerned
* Relate specifically to the premisses concerned
* Contain your name and address
* Reach the Council no later than the last date for representations given in the Licensing Applications list
* State that you wish for a named councillor to represent you at the hearing if you have spoken to your ward councillor about this.

God knows how you crowbar those points into your complaint, but please copy your email into the comments below, so that others can use it for reference.

Good luck with finding the application on Greenwich Council’s licensing pages… I couldn’t. Below is the full text from the application (typed by me, so please excuse typos – hyperlinks are mine).



175 Deptford High Street

is applying for a Betting (Other) Premises License under section 159 of the Gambling Act 2005.
The application relates to the following premises:

McDonnells Bookmakers
174 Westcombe Hill
London SE3 7DH

The application has been made to: London Borough of Greenwich, Community Safety & Integrated Enforcement, 11th Floor, Riverside House, Woolwich High Street, London, SE18 6DN

Information about the application is available from the licensing authority, including the arrangements for viewing the details of the application.

Any of the following person may make representations in writing to the licensing authority about the application

* A person who live sufficiently close to the premises and is likely to be affected by the authorised activities
* A person who has business interests that might be affected by the authorised activities
* A person who represents someone in any of the above two categories

Any representations must be made by the following date: 2 October 2011

It is an offense under section 342 of the Gambling Act 2005 a person, without reasonable excuse, gives to a licensing authority for a purpose connected with that Act information which is false or misleading.

London Borough of Greenwich, Community Safety & Integrated Enforcement, 11th Floor, Riverside House, Woolwich High Street, London, SE18 6DN

Here’s the estate agents rental page (don’t think it’s still on the market?) – PDF version here.

PS: Yes, I did speak too soon.


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Blackheath Royal Standard Pub

I’m quite conscious of the fact that there isn’t enough about Blackheath Royal Standard (the place, not the pub) on this site… The main reason is because it takes me ages to get there, unless I’m on the bus, when I’m usually heading for the delights of Sainsbury’s or Lidl.  For a while the brilliantly named Hi, Standard blog looked like it would be doing the business, but it hasn’t been updated for a while.

Anyway, at Mrs Bugle’s suggestion, we ventured into the unknown, and headed for Blackheath Royal Standard (the pub not the place) last night.

Blackheath Royal Standard Pub, London, SE3

My overriding sense was that it is a bit of a chilly pub… Maybe we just found some draughty seats, but I felt like I couldn’t get warm in there!  The barman was friendly enough, and the pint of Pride was good (they also do ESB and Bombardier at the moment).  Mrs Bugle had a glass of Chilean Merlot which received no complaints.

But the place felt a bit depressing.  I have a problem with football on in pubs at the best of times… I don’t know why, it just always seems to spoil a pub.  And the place was full of fruit machines, and electronic quiz machines flashing and glaring at the punters.  The food looked harmless – nothing amazing, but what you’d expect from a town boozer kind of pub – chips, burgers, etc.  I bet they do vegetable lasagna for the vegetarians… If there are any vegetarians… The way that stags head was staring at me from its mounting on the wall, I’m not sure that this is the place for veggies…

It looks like it has been done up fairly recently, but as though the customers chose not to notice – weird bits of tin stuck to the ceiling, and overstuffed green leather sofas – the description on their facebook page demonstrates the slightly misguided direction that the pub has gone for:

Inside, the sophisticated décor resembles that of a classy gentleman’s club. With a ‘tin’ ceiling and an eclectic mix of furnishings including big chesterfield seats, this more upmarket, open plan site is ideal for enjoying a drink alone or with friends, or some fantastic food.

As one of the commentators on the page said “who wants tables instead of pool tables?”  As soon as I walked in, I thought “this looks like the sort of pub that will have a pool table somewhere”.  Clearly it used to have them – it’s that kind of place… And it would be great with a couple of tables for pool, a jukebox, no telly on, and maybe selling some pasties, this place would be just great, instead of trying to be something it isn’t.

Other points of interest:

Blackheath Royal Standard Pub, London, SE3, Quiz Night

Free wifi (for the geeks, although I didn’t see any)… It’s passworded though.

Quiz nights on Sundays at 9pm, entrance is £1.  Anyone ever tried this?

Oh, and Aspall cider, which is always a nice surprise.

Beerintheevening review here

The Blackheath Bugle’s Google Map here.

Contact Info
020 8858 1533

44 Vanbrugh Park, Blackheath, London, SE3 7JQ


Filed under blackheath, Blackheath Royal Standard, pubs