Brockley Central has a great post, pointing out that a new ASDA is being planned to replace the dilapidated LeeGate shopping centre (the burnt-out-looking post-nuclear-apocolypse shopping square over the road from Sainsbury’s).
From their post:
St Modwen claim that a supermarket is needed to create the footfall that will make the rest of the retail offer (25,000 sq ft of new shops and restaurants along Burnt Ash Road) work. They must know this is hogwash. If one large supermarket has done nothing for the site (arguably, it accelerated the decline), how would another help? Lee Green has been a dysfunctional town centre for decades and something much more imaginative would be needed to reverse its decline. This proposal plans to keep the ugliest bits (including Leegate tower, which is a strong candidate for the borough’s worst building) and allow the site to be dominated by a supermarket shed, none of which is likely to turn this in to a leisure destination.
This looks like a cynical ploy to get permission to develop another large supermarket in the borough, rather than a considered attempt to regenerate Lee. None of the other projects featured on the developer’s website give any kind of reassurance that they know how to handle a site like this.
They haven’t handed any official plans over to Lewisham Council yet, but they have a weasel-worded “have your say survey” on their site.
Q: Do you support in principle the preliminary proposals for the regeneration of the Leegate Shopping Centre?
No, it looks like you’re just trying to crowbar another massive supermarket next to an existing one, further killing local shops.
Q: Are there any aspects of the scheme that you are particularly impressed with?
Q: Are there any aspects of the scheme on which you have particular comments or suggestions?
How about building some affordable housing on the site, without holding the council to ransom with the threat of a supermarket?
Q: Do you feel that a mixed-use scheme as proposed is the right way forward for the regeneration of Leegate Shopping Centre and Lee Green?
I’d love to live on top of a supermarket. Wouldn’t you?
Q: Do you welcome the opportunity for greater choice in your supermarket shopping?
Do you still beat your wife?
Feel free to add your thoughts on their feedback form.
Plans are available now to see what is planned on the field next to the church during the Olympics. As spotted by the Blackheath Village Residents Group:
The proper name of this area is Washerwoman’s Bottom, but the Council has chosen the more demure Church Field.
Live showings from 9am until 11pm each day, with booze served from 12noon onwards from 27th July until 12th August 2012, with up to 4,999 people in the venue.
Full details here, and license application here.
From Sue, on Betfred’s reapplication to open another betting shop on Deptford High Street.
If you don’t want any more betting shops in Deptford, take a look at Sue’s letter here, then write your own, and email it to firstname.lastname@example.org.
You’ll probably know that when Lewisham Planning turned them down in June, they appealed to the government Planning Inspectorate, who also turned them down (in August). Originally they were asking for the condition on the premises (that it was A2 Financial Use for a Building Society only) to be lifted to include Betting Shops. The Inspector agreed to lift the condition and then applied a new one – so that the present permission for the premises is now ANY A2 FINANCIAL USE EXCEPT AS A BETTING SHOP.
They have since reapplied to Lewisham to have this altered to include Betting Shops, claiming that it is unfair to judge them based on the behaviour of the clientele outside other betting establishments.
This application can be found on the Lewisham Planning Portal here and their covering letter is in the Documents section here.
Life on Marsh – from the Greenwich Phantom
Very interesting pamphlet from the 1980s about a proposed plan to build a riot police centre in Greenwich. Would be great to see the whole thing scanned.
Brockley Central reporting that Lewisham Labour councillor @CllrMikeHarris is suggesting a CarrotMob on Saturday. Turn up on Saturday and support the Lewisham Market traders. Great idea, although looks like some people may have other ideas?
And a cryptic carpenter tweeted:
Which I guess refers to 34 Montpelier Road – former home to Furley & Baker (known since 2008 on this blog as the kite shop). Maybe related to this curiously empty planning reference on the (terribly crashy) Lewisham Council Planning site. Reference DC/22/22222 if you feel like doing some detective work…
Lewisham planning were very quick to come back – there is no planning permission as the nature of the building hasn’t changed significantly. And the cryptic entry on their database was just a test that went wrong… Ah well…
Oh yes, and if you haven’t already, please bit.ly/openthisdoor !
Here’s a wonderful thing. Above is a photo of Foxtons in Blackheath. Does that look like “non-illuminated fascia” to you? No, didn’t think so.
Which is interesting, as their planning consent clearly states that their signage doesn’t light up.
Advertisement consent was approved in September 2010, in
respect of the installation of non illuminated fascia and projecting sign.
It also states that they must not open on Sundays. And yet every Sunday, there they openly selling overpriced flats to the good residents of Blackheath. Because council planning rules don’t apply to people who can afford to flaunt them.
They’ve currently got a planning request in with the council to adjust the opening hours to include Sundays. I’m sure it will be approved. Maybe they could put a children’s library in the basement at the same time?
The council should either enforce planning rules or just not bother and go home. I’m sure there are other useful services they could spend the money on.
(thanks to 853blog for the tip-off).
Deptford wants more betting shops. Like Blackheath needs more estate agents. Lewisham council recently refused planning permission
for “Done Brothers (Cash Betting)” to build another betting shop in Deptford. There’s a lot of history here – check Deptford Dame
The company are appealing against the decision, on the grounds that:
…there is nothing to suggest the use of the premises as a betting shop would cause harm in terms of anti-social behaviour, crime or disturbance to neighbouring residents and other users of the town centre. This reason for refusal is based on a subjective view of the type of people that use betting shops. There is no evidence that customers visiting betting shops are any more likely to cause harm in terms of antisocial behaviour, crime or disturbance than any other use present along Deptford High Street.
Full document is here. Anyway, if you disgree, then email email@example.com quoting reference APP/C5690/A/11/2151228/NWF.
If you can find case studies, examples, or good evidence explaining why you think another betting shop would be a bad idea, please add them in the comments below, so that other people can use them in their emails.
UPDATED: Above is a Google Map, showing all the betting shops in Deptford. Made by Crossfields.
I’ve been a bit lax in not mentioning the redesign of The Crown Pub, as noted in the comments to an unrelated ovine-post:
I always read this excellent blog with great interest, but I can’t believe that one thing has gone without comment on these pages. I went into the village last night for a pint only to find that my regular watering hole The Crown was a building site. It looks very much as if they have ripped out the lovely bay windows (with the two big leather seats) and are replacing them with a flat wall and french doors. How can they be allowed to change the face of such an old and surely protected building so much!?
Shocked of Charlton on the 380 bus route
Above is a detail from the planning permission documents at Lewisham Council. Interestingly the original plans for two “jumbobrellas” at the front were withdrawn after 21 complaints were made (I’ve no idea if these two events are related). See the a drawing from the original submission below:
Above is a photo from today, where you can see that the bay windows have been removed to make way for wider openable doors. Which I can’t help feeling might make it feel brighter and more appealing, particularly in the summer.
Neil Rhind in his excellent book Blackheath Village and Environs Volume 1 dates it back to at least 1773 (the first record of a licensee), with a building having been present on the same site during the John Rocque survey of 1741-1746. I had a look at the map here,
but couldn’t see it. If anyone with better eyes can, please send me the details! UPDATE: Found it.
Neil points out that it has undergone many renovations during its lifetime, starting out as a building “only three doors wide, with a round-headed door at the entrance”. (page 99).
It’s never been my favourite pub in the area though… Who knows, maybe the improvements will change that… If they re-instate the pole climbing competition of 1892, where a leg of mutton was attached to the top of the pub sign post, I’d definitely come along to watch!
So it begins. If you want go into London from Blackheath station, you’ll have to get onto the wrong platform, then cross over the rickety bridge… This work is to improve the station (junk food machines count as an improvement apparently), and to allow disabled access. The work was originally planned to be completed back in 2008. I think it was funded by the previous government’s Access for All policy, but I’m having trouble locating the planning documents… Anyway, according to Network Rail, the work should be finished by spring. That’s right. If spring means April, it will have taken 4-5 months to improve the station.
£1300 for a zone 1-3 ticket, and still no seats on the trains…
There’s a meeting to discuss the plans to build on the Huntsman’s Field, at 8pm on Thursday 4th November. It’s being held at St Michael & All Angel’s Church Hall, Pond Road, Blackheath. Apparently it is for Cator Estate shareholders only, although I’m not sure how they’ll check, and indeed whether that’s really fair. Anyone trying to get the train in the morning will be affected by the building of hundreds of new flats in Blackheath.
The residents association are opposing the development on the grounds that it:
- will provide an unsafe and dangerous junction at the corner of Manor Way/Brooklands Park will generate additional motor traffic
- could very easily provide a ‘cut through link’ for all traffic from the KDA to the Cator Estate, vastly increasing (and introducing third party) traffic movement and volumes on the Cator Estate
- will detrimentally affect the character of the Conservation Area and amenity of the Cator Estate
- will detrimentally affect the character and amenity of the Cator Estate by virtue of the height and scale of certain buildings on the north boundary (being some 3-3.5 storeys) and the western boundary (3-5 storeys)
Don’t forget, the wonderful thing about our planning laws is that the developers only have to win once. See Foxtons, for example.
More details in their newsletter (PDF).
This photo of an estate agency in Blackheath is brilliant. And how often do you get to say that?
The new Foxtons, which is replacing the army centre, (see here and here previously), will have a hard time living up to that… Especially given that 135 people didn’t think it was appropriate to build another bloody estate agents in Blackheath – from the council’s planning page:
Incidentally, I emailed the council asking them why they approved it, given that it was 135 against and 1 in facour. They replied, informing me that they had approved it. So I asked why again. Still waiting for a definitive answer. Planning laws seems so opaque in this country.
Clocks photo by Garry Knight on Flickr.