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Petition for the reclassification of betting shops

As found on the Deptford Dame site:

Ultimately a change in the law is the key to giving local people and councils more say in what happens to their high streets. Without this, we will find ourselves fighting more and more such cases, with nothing but the vagaries and historical quirks of the planning system for help.

Please sign the petition if you agree. From the petition page:

As small shops shut in the downturn, bookies are opening in their place. And this story is being repeated across the UK.

But at the moment, local councils can’t control the number of betting shops in their community because they’re classified in the same way as banks, estate agents and restaurants.

We have a rare chance to change that. Mary Portas (also known as Queen of Shops) recently published a review of the high street and recommended giving local people new powers to limit the number of bookies in their communities. I’m campaigning for the Government to accept the recommendation.

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And you thought A2 was a big sheet of paper…

From Sue, on Betfred’s reapplication to open another betting shop on Deptford High Street.

If you don’t want any more betting shops in Deptford, take a look at Sue’s letter here, then write your own, and email it to planning@lewisham.gov.uk.

You’ll probably know that when Lewisham Planning turned them down in June, they appealed to the government Planning Inspectorate, who also turned them down (in August). Originally they were asking for the condition on the premises (that it was A2 Financial Use for a Building Society only) to be lifted to include Betting Shops. The Inspector agreed to lift the condition and then applied a new one – so that the present permission for the premises is now ANY A2 FINANCIAL USE EXCEPT AS A BETTING SHOP.

They have since reapplied to Lewisham to have this altered to include Betting Shops, claiming that it is unfair to judge them based on the behaviour of the clientele outside other betting establishments.

This application can be found on the Lewisham Planning Portal here and their covering letter is in the Documents section here.
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What’s the difference between an estate agent and a betting shop?

Harrison Ingram Estate Agent to be turned into a Betting Shop?
Apparently nothing. What used to be Harrison Ingram Estate Agents in Blackheath Standard is applying to be turned into a Betting Shop. And guess what? It’s three doors down from Ladbroke’s.

Estate Agents are defined as “use case A2″, which is for “Financial and professional services”. Here’s how “use classes” are supposed to work – it looks to me as though a change of use from Estate Agents to Betting Shop is viewed as quite normal, which makes me unsure as to whether to laugh or cry.

I don’t know what the best plan of action is against this, but I’d like to read your thoughts in the comments below. Please also look at the many posts on this subject on the Deptford Dame’s pages – some positive news too.

So what can you do?
See how to object to license changes on Greenwich Council’s site.
Contact your local councillors for Blackheath & Westcombe Ward, who are:

  • Geoffrey Brighty (Conservative) email geoffrey.brighty at greenwich.gov.uk or phone 07507 859 205)
  • Alex Grant (Labour) alex.grant at greenwich.gov.uk or phone 020 8855 7292)
  • Alex Wilson (LabourConservative) email alex.wilson at greenwich.gov.uk or phone 07783 611 607)

And tell them that you think it’s a crappy idea. Ask them whether they think it’s good for the area to increase the number of betting shops.

Then email licensing@greenwich.gov.uk writing along the following guidelines:

Apparently your representation must:

* Mention issues that relate to one or more of the four licensing objectives -
1. Protection of children from harm
2. Prevention of crime and disorder
3. Public safety
4. Prevention of public nuisance

* Describe precisely how you think the premises concerned are or would be contravening the licensing objective concerned
* Relate specifically to the premisses concerned
* Contain your name and address
* Reach the Council no later than the last date for representations given in the Licensing Applications list
* State that you wish for a named councillor to represent you at the hearing if you have spoken to your ward councillor about this.

God knows how you crowbar those points into your complaint, but please copy your email into the comments below, so that others can use it for reference.

Good luck with finding the application on Greenwich Council’s licensing pages… I couldn’t. Below is the full text from the application (typed by me, so please excuse typos – hyperlinks are mine).

GREENWICH COUNCIL

NOTICE OF APPLICATION FOR A PREMISES LICENSE UNDER THE GAMBLING ACT 2005

175 Deptford High Street
London
SE8 3NU

is applying for a Betting (Other) Premises License under section 159 of the Gambling Act 2005.
The application relates to the following premises:

McDonnells Bookmakers
174 Westcombe Hill
Blackheath
London SE3 7DH

The application has been made to: London Borough of Greenwich, Community Safety & Integrated Enforcement, 11th Floor, Riverside House, Woolwich High Street, London, SE18 6DN

Information about the application is available from the licensing authority, including the arrangements for viewing the details of the application.

Any of the following person may make representations in writing to the licensing authority about the application

* A person who live sufficiently close to the premises and is likely to be affected by the authorised activities
* A person who has business interests that might be affected by the authorised activities
* A person who represents someone in any of the above two categories

Any representations must be made by the following date: 2 October 2011

It is an offense under section 342 of the Gambling Act 2005 a person, without reasonable excuse, gives to a licensing authority for a purpose connected with that Act information which is false or misleading.

London Borough of Greenwich, Community Safety & Integrated Enforcement, 11th Floor, Riverside House, Woolwich High Street, London, SE18 6DN

Here’s the estate agents rental page (don’t think it’s still on the market?) – PDF version here.

PS: Yes, I did speak too soon.

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More Betting Shops!


Deptford wants more betting shops.  Like Blackheath needs more estate agents.  Lewisham council recently refused planning permission for “Done Brothers (Cash Betting)” to build another betting shop in Deptford.  There’s a lot of history here – check Deptford Dame for details.
The company are appealing against the decision, on the grounds that:

…there is nothing to suggest the use of the premises as a betting shop would cause harm in terms of anti-social behaviour, crime or disturbance to neighbouring residents and other users of the town centre. This reason for refusal is based on a subjective view of the type of people that use betting shops. There is no evidence that customers visiting betting shops are any more likely to cause harm in terms of anti­social behaviour, crime or disturbance than any other use present along Deptford High Street.

Full document is here. Anyway, if you disgree, then email teamp6@pins.gsi.gov.uk quoting reference APP/C5690/A/11/2151228/NWF.

If you can find case studies, examples, or good evidence explaining why you think another betting shop would be a bad idea, please add them in the comments below, so that other people can use them in their emails.

UPDATED: Above is a Google Map, showing all the betting shops in Deptford. Made by Crossfields.

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