Below are a tonne of interesting tweets from yesterday’s onBlackheath meeting (which I couldn’t attend). Mostly from BitOClass and Darryl1974 who write the SE13zure and 853blog blogs respectively.
I wish I’d managed to get there, looks like it was an interesting night. Regardless of your opinion on whether the festival should go ahead, I think it’s worth pointing out a few aspects of sound perception:
Sound pressure levels decay over an inverse square law with distance. So if you are very near to the source of a sound, and move a few metres away, the sound gets dramatically quieter. However, if you are a hundred metres away, and move another few metres back, the level barely changes. Another point to make is that decibel readings are fairly pointless as way of describing irritation from unwanted sound. For example, a continuous sine tone or burglar alarm can be very irritating even if it is at a low level, whilst a spread spectrum of pink noise at an equivalent total energy level might be barely noticeable. Music is in the ear of the beholder, so sits somewhere between the two. Finally, anyone who thinks that erecting a few soft temporary walls in the free field will make any difference frequencies below about 1kHz should really think again.
Tweets are below in chronological order. Don’t miss the bit about bongo drums.
Big stately home, middle of a quiet deserted open space, under a huge full moon. What could go wrong? #OnBlackheath—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
Being introduced to the #OnBlackheath organisers. One of them organised the Blur reunion tour a couple of years ago.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
Organisers started researching their embryonic #OnBlackheath idea four years ago, and approached Lewisham council two years ago.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath organiser targets worried locals: main stage'll have 'nothing offensive', just R1/2 music; 2nd stage 'cld have a gospel choir'—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath using same company as for Blackheath fireworks to organise crowd dispersal etc: know area and disperse >2x people as this then—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath chose Blackheath partly due to Hollyhedge Hse, where we are atm: perfect to base security/dressing rms etc, minimises vehicles—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
Point on heath chosen to hold #OnBlackheath is slightly nearer Lewisham station than Blackheath station; LEW will be recommended arrival stn—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
We can also confirm it's a nice short walk from Elverson Road DLR station, having just done it in about ten minutes :) #OnBlackheath—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
Audience member turns nasty already. #OnBlackheath organiser starts outlining business plan; man shouts "you're just in it for money!" #FAIL—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Cars won't be welcomed. Local parking restrictions on Sat last 'til 6pm so organisers'll make sure big artists start before 6.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath organisers funding about 20 police officers (as well as security). Now explaining tech for directing sound away from residents—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath loudest sound level expected at nearest house is 64-72dB. Monitored every 15min with instant feedback to event sound engineers—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
( #OnBlackheath @wiilassie just looked up example dB levels and found some web site saying 60-70dB is typical of "normal conversation, btw.)—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
MP Heidi Alexander covering various #OnBlackheath legal issues now; says if some are judged against it could bring other heath events into Q—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
A local cllr who voted against #OnBlackheath on Lewisham licensing committee is sitting next to me, it turns out. Explaining (vague) doubts.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
No cllrs from Greenwich side of the Heath have showed for the #OnBlackheath meeting. Lewisham cllr Kevin Bonavia and MP Heidi Alexander here—
(@darryl1974) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath £45 likely to be the day ticket price.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Astonishingly furious man shouts a huge rant at the 'capitalist ponces' about opportunistic thieves from Lewisham, then leaves—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
One local resident storms out of #OnBlackheath meeting, demanding right to "play bongo drums on your windowsill! Piss off!"—
(@darryl1974) March 18, 2011
H Alexander suggests a meeting should be called with council officers as many Qs'd be better addressed to them than #OnBlackheath organisers—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Organisers outlining timings of weekend. Likely to open 12-22.30 Sat (22.00 Sun); bars shut 30min earlier; music from 2.30ish.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Questioner seizes on fireworks crowd co's involvement to declare village will be as full as after that – with ~20%-size crowd!—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Cllr, who's a lawyer, explaining that Blackheath isn't legally 'common land'. Owned by Queen and an Earl; managed by councils.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
If Heidi Alexander's political career ever tanks, she'd make a good host of Trisha by the way she's dealing with this crowd. #OnBlackheath—
(@darryl1974) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath organisers: "Regarding Greenwich council not having been consulted: Greenwich council *were* made fully aware of this [event]"—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Ooh, audience Q that actually raised an interesting concern: what'll they do about ppl coming to sit outside with Tesco booze?—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Answer: music'll be muffled outside fence, and police they're funding will be patrolling wider area around perimeter fence.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
@bitoclass Has anybody pointed out the Greenwich Comedy Festival is being held about a mile down the road on the same weekend? #OnBlackheath—
Warren King (@warrenkingphoto) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Heidi Alexander MP says her postbag on this is very balanced, probably slightly more in favour.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath @darryl1974's blog gets mention as way organisers've tried to communicate what event is. Was top Google result for OB earlier!—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Now enjoying bizarre discussion about decibel limits which aren't set yet based on nonsensical comparisons with Glastonbury's.—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Organisers raise more relevant comparators of Clapham Common (yeah! Ben&Jerry!) and Victoria Park, which've had similar events—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
"Why not hold #OnBlackheath on Woolwich Common?," asks lady not wanting a festival on *her* doorstep.—
(@darryl1974) March 18, 2011
Others want #OnBlackheath in Greenwich Park. Wonder what the crossover with anti-Olympics crowd is?—
(@darryl1974) March 18, 2011
Audience touch on where #OnBlackheath could be held instead. One says O2; another "Why not Greenwich Park?" One word for latter: Gilligan ;)—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath Drawing to close. Earlier audience showed surprising level of personal offence taken at 'Nimby Events' name. Very self-aware?!—
Paul (@bitoclass) March 18, 2011
#OnBlackheath meeting very interesting – will post some thoughts over weekend. Now – PUB.—
(@darryl1974) March 18, 2011


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Thank you, Mr Bugle – interesting reading. Sounds like a lot of people need to calm down a bit about this. It’s only one weekend – I think it’ll be fun!
So has the final decision been made? Will there definitely be a festival?
It was an interesting meeting, but it did drag on a bit, and I couldn’t handle the shouting bloke.
I just can’t believe there is no financial benefit to lewisham borough, as far as I can work out.
And Maggie, there was no decision making at this meeting, this was just to meet the people.
As far as I’m aware the license has been granted by Lewisham, but is being challenged in the courts by the Blackheath Society.
They seemed to be challenging on various things but one of the things was a law banning the enclosure of common land, as far as I could work out.
Very interesting and informative bit by Bugle on perception of sound, and equally interesting and informative about the “sound fences” which Bugle (rightly) says will have no effect.
Acoustic engineers soundproof by achieving airtightness and low noise conductance. To make it imperceptible to people living near the Heath, it’d need to be enclosed in a Dome. Hang on, I know a big Dome nearby…
I’m gutted to have missed the meeting. If nothing else, sounds like a) we elected a good MP b) I could have identified the people not to sit next to on the bus.
Thanks v much to bitoclass & Darryl1974 for taking all that trouble.
So,
1, who is playing?
2, would it be possible to burn Ronan Keating as a finale?
3, Do residents putting up with it and living right next to it get free tickets?
4, Firework crowds are one thing, drunks are a teensie bit different.
5, In summary, more sequirity and priority VIP tickets for me.
1 I don’t know
2 Famous people are still people, and it’s probably not a good idea to suggest setting fire to them.
3 It seems not, although this would have been the perfect way to solve the animosity.
4 If you say so
5 good luck with that…